Thursday, March 13, 2008

Daddy's Girl


I'm reading a warts and all biography about Vogue Editor Anna Wintour, who comes across as quite the cold-hearted bitch. But all this is conveniently explained by, what else, the fact that she had a distant, emotionally buttoned up father. She became an emotionally frigid woman, and also dated mainly much older men who weren’t particularly like her dad in character (they were lovable rogues), but I suppose they fulfilled the emotional void left by her dad's lack of attention.


The ones on the left are from 1998 (hmm, years of hard drinking on my dad's part take their toll). On the right bad haircuts all round mum, dad, me circa 1979

The book made me start thinking about my dad, who died a couple of months ago aged 59. The cause of death was liver cirrhosis actually, no surprise there. His death leaves more questions than answers, but I don't really want to get into the whole ghastly saga between my mum and dad etc. etc. suffice to say, he wasn't around much when I was a kid and quite honestly, in some ways I am pleased he is dead, because I tried so hard to make him love me and he sometimes said he did, but he could not really show it in actions and it was just forever unresolved. I couldn't accept that he loved me but couldn't show it in the way I wanted, and it was never going to get better, it was a kind of dull nagging pain. And the other torturous thing is he didn’t really love anyone else. I mean he had this girlfriend, but he never really told me he loved her, he just told me that she understood him. Okay, so I’m kind of glad it’s over …

Also, my point is I think many times I did look for a substitute for my father’s love in my relationships with men. The strange thing is I was not really attracted all that much to older men. I think I was drawn to men who reminded me of my father at the time when I was born (when he was only twenty-one), and how I remember him from when I was a child, that is, he was attractive and had a really charming voice and manner and would even buy me kids’ books and read them to me. I remember one called ‘The Lazy Bear.’ I remember also, a few happy memories, once when my mum and dad and I went rowing in Regent’s Park. After I was about eight I stopped seeing my dad for many years, so I think he was always young in my mind even when he got old, fat and bloated.

Also, for years I used to dream about my dad, and it was always in this happy, imaginary kingdom. I don’t think he really ever really aged for me. I’ve only had a few serious relationships, but they were all those kinds of coup de foudre situations. Firstly the guy would be young or look young and have the same kind of lost yet charming expression as my dad. I’d see the guy for the first time and his smile, something inexplicable about him would make my heart contract. Even before we spoke, it was love, obsession. Those relationships were very intense and often destructive. Strangely enough, even though my husband was only twenty when I met him, it was that kind of attraction - I mean immediate - but not so heavy or destructive. He attracted me even before we spoke a word. But he doesn’t remind me so much of my dad in that he isn't lost, artistic or eccentric. So I like to think I’ve grown out of that phase of trying to find in men what I needed in my dad.

Yes, I think I have, although it's pretty hard to break out of the pattern.

Do you think that your choices in women/men is governed by the good or bad relations you had with your parents?

31 comments:

white rabbit said...

Her father was an emotionally buttoned up woman???

:-O

bittersweet me said...

i can't imagine that it doesn't affect us all, in some way.

BenefitScroungingScum said...

Totally! I'm out an proud with my father figure issues!
Sweet photos, BG

lalita said...

Great haircuts!

I recently revisited the subject of father figure issues. I broke up with my boyfriend and when I told my father he said "to have good relations with men, you need to have good relations with your father". Which is this kind of inappropriate bad timing comment that makes it absolutely impossible for us to have normal relations...

Sailor said...

I suspect that it does influence us all, to an extent. I can't really tell for sure in my own relationship though, cuz there's only been the one- Lynn and I were the high-school sweetheart couple, and are still together 23 years later.

Molly said...

I had and still do, a brilliant relationship with my dad and I love him to pieces. My dad was an honest, working, family man, who had dreams but didn't know how to fulfill them. I guess I married two guys just like him - big dreamers, wanting to go everywhere but never ending up anywhere. I love my dad but I think he regrets the missed opportunities in life, so when I moved to America he was really happy because he had a place to come and visit and have adventures. It actually makes me really sad that he regrets so much of his life, but I couldn't ask for any other dad because I love him so much. Now my mom, she is a whole other 3000 page book I will write one day!!!

Moobs said...

Why is it men think they are so complicated that it is only a rare woman who will understnd them?

My parent's marriage influenced me to the extent I resolved never to have a relationship at all. Didn't work as I had planned thank goodness.

Steve said...

I think our parents supply us with the earliest template for a (sometimes mistaken) ideal of perfection... we know we've grown up when we realize our parents aren't perfect and aren't the fonts of all knowledge... in fact, sometimes they're bigger kids than we are and are just as prone to being messed up.

Misssy M said...

Argh! I can't see your photos. I love looking at old photos...will try later.

My dad's a gem but my husband has a very strained relationship with his horrible dad who left early and couldn't give a flying fuck about him. Everything my husband does is in direct opposition to what he thinks his dad would do.

Girls do tend to have serious issues with an errant Dad, Meeester's sisters are nigh on obsessed with him. Attention he just doesn't deserve.

Vi said...

hhhmmm, my dad was an alcoholic, I seem to attract alcoholics. Maybe because I always meet them in a pub?

Melissaria said...

I don't know. I had 8 years of just me and my mum, and then she married a dogmatic, controlling Roman Catholic oddball. My friends used to say he was like Victorian Dad out of Viz.

How it affected me, I'll never reall know, but I do have a long track record of getting into relationships that are a constant power struggle/battle of wills. Luckily my husband has similar issues, so we muddle through OK!

EmmaK said...

white rabbit....oh monkey nuts...I will reword that!!!

bittersweet me....yeah, but I hope I am over it now.

benefitscroungingscum..I hope you find a great daddy substitute rather than one who is just out to grasp your girlish figure ;)

lalita...I had terrible relations with men for many years. But I have to say at the moment my marriage is doing well and functional. So there is hope for all I think!

sailor....23 years...that is so romantic. you will probably end up as one of those adorable couples who are about 90 and still walk down the street holding hands.

molly...that is like the reverse story to me. You had a great relationship with your dad yet picked two men you were incompatible with. Lovely that you are so fond of him though.

moobs....I'm afraid my dad was very arrogant and full of himself. Maybe that's part of why he never found happiness in his life.

re your wonderful marriage ...Life doesn't turn out as bad as we think it will thank goodness.

steve...it is somewhat corny to say but I think having kids made me more tolerant of my parents' mistakes. I suddenly realized how hard it is to have a good relationship and bring up kids well and I suppose I forgave my parents for a lot of their mistakes and found closure.

EmmaK said...

misssy m...
Girls do tend to have serious issues with an errant Dad, Meeester's sisters are nigh on obsessed with him.
yes, I think that even if the dad is a rogue/cunt daughters (like me) idolize that type, the player etc. It took me a long time to get over going for those kinds of co-dependent relationships.

Vi... Maybe because I always meet them in a pub?
I dunno you live in a village don't you. Where else could you meet men apart from at Morris Dancing at the local church hall and I don't think you fancy guys in kneesocks ? ;)

Melissaria...
My friends used to say he was like Victorian Dad out of Viz.
OMG you have my sympathies!

Glad you found a guy you can enjoy arguing with!

Kitty said...

Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. Even though on some levels you may feel relieved that your dad has gone, it's still a loss isn't it? Because I don't know about you, but I not only grieved for what my dad WAS but also for what he wasn't.

I don't think my relationships have been governed by my relationship with him - I was pretty close to him, and miss him still, but he was very different to my 'type' of man.

Take care. x

Rocco Tool said...

Sorry to hear about your Dad, Doll. And no, I don't think my parents had anything to do with the poor choice I made for a wife.

Suzy said...

My relationship with my dad and all the subsequent mistakes I made with men is in my first novel (roman a clef?) All the Bad Sex I've Had, a very, very, very long book.

I just recently resolved it all but man, that was a trip I hope never to take again.

Tickersoid said...

I'm pretty sure I'm the father type described by Molly. The reason we don't fulfill our dreams, is because we don't focus on ourselves.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think dreams are best left unfulfilled.
I had two statements from each of my daughters this month which meant so much to me.

Eldest, "Everything intelligent I know, I got from you."

Youngest, "All the parents and students we see at University visits seem so tense, whilst we have so much fun."

fingers said...

I love my parents and they love me. I think they love each other on some level but realised long ago they were still together because they were more afraid of being alone than they were of being with each other.
Has it shaped the train wreck that my relationship history has become ?? Probably.
Do I blame them ?? No way.
I made a speech at their 40th wedding anniversary where I finally admitted they weren't the world's best parents.
Then again, I'm not the world's best son, so we're even...

Mars said...

wow more people with daddy issues...

Ro said...

My entire family background was cold and emotionally repressed. It was just how things were: there were never expressions of affection let alone any hugs or anything.

It has certainly affected me but not to make me look for "superior" mother figures; it's just made me value affection and now to give it as well as taking it.

I've tried to create that sort of atmosphere with my son and, despite a somewhat acrimonious post-divorce period, I think he'll take that easy affection with him. I hope ...

Luka said...

I think it does influence us all, to some degree. I was a daddy's girl and have grown up to expect to be the centre of the universe, which means I don't settle for second best but I am a total meglomaniac. Swings and roundabouts.

Steph said...

I think to some extent it has to. I mean our fathers are our first example of manhood, what it is to be a man, so on a subconscious level I'm sure we connect with men more who remind us somewhat of our fathers.

Having said that, I've dated guys who were the total polar opposite to my father as well, so it doesn't always work that way I guess.

Very interesting post though Em. loved it.

fingers said...

I forgot to say that my father liked to wear dresses, drink sauv blanc and listen to Cher at night.
The guys I date are totally the opposite, very macho, big muscles and lots of body hair, so I'm inclined to agree with Steph that there's not always a direct correlation...

Rosie said...

A powerful post. I think it influencces us all. I'm a daddy's girl and I compare all men I meet to him. They never live up.

EmmaK said...

kitty....Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. Thanks...Sorry I must appear callous. When I meant I am pleased he is dead I am pleased for him too since his life was v painful.

Rocco Tool
the poor choice I made for a wife.
why don't you get divorced. or are you just kidding ? ;)

EmmaK said...

suzy...All the Bad Sex I've Had, a very, very, very long book.
I wanna read that book so bad!

Tickersoid.....
Eldest, "Everything intelligent I know, I got from you."

Youngest, "All the parents and students we see at University visits seem so tense, whilst we have so much fun."


That is lovely. You sound like you are appreciated and are a great dad.

fingers...
Then again, I'm not the world's best son, so we're even...
Well, at least you're realistic!!

EmmaK said...

mars....I take it you don't have any daddy issues?

ro...I'm sure you are creating a great, warm, affectionate environment for your son.

luka....but maybe you didn't settle for second best when you met your husband, which can only be a good thing.

steph.....I've dated some guys who were different to my dad too, but mostly I go for one particular type.

fingers..I forgot to say that my father liked to wear dresses, drink sauv blanc and listen to Cher at night.
so did my dad! we definately have something in common.

rosie....still, at least your standards are high rather than low!

Mamma said...

Oooh. Unavailable fathers...I know that story. And boy was I atracted to the wrong guys for ages.

M said...

Hm. Good question. On the surface I choose men unlike my dad. He is a workaholic. I like men who are more artistic and/or unambitious in a tradional way. Emotionally, the men tend to be like him: controlling.

For the most part, I am a lone ranger. I don't look for relationships and don't stay in them long when I accidentally fall into a relationship. That definitely mirrors my feelings about my father. I have zero relationship with him besides a surface one where I occasionally visit on the holidays.

At 41, though, I have thunk and thunk on how the past influences the present and I am done. I feel like what wasn't resolved earlier with my father(or other family members), doesn't need to be resolved.

Mary Witzl said...

This post made me want to cry.

My father was a good man and he tried his best, given his circumstances. Going through WWII did him no favors, and even before that, he'd had a tough life. Like Kitty, I often grieved for what my father was not as much as I grieved for what he was.

I miss him now, but the only person he truly loved was my mother. In a way, I suppose that is a lot better than it could have been.

EmmaK said...

mamma....still the bad boys can be fun sometimes!

m....good point. Sometimes things have to remain unresolved and there is no 'closure'

mary witzl...writing this post made me cry. I can't lie and say what I don't feel. Do I miss him. It's too soon to tell.